LOST Finale

rk and lb are mia, but mellin cb and i just finished a monster Rock Band session. we are going on tour next week. tix are available on ticketmaster.
RK Note: First of all, I want to express how sad I am last night didn't work out with me coming over to rock band and watch the Lost finale-- it was just not feasible timing-wise on the short notice, it was 8:30 before I got out of the shower and 9:30 before I had blow dryed my hair and gotten dressed, and then it would have been 10:00 before I even got to Caryn's, and I can't lie, the urge to watch the Lost finale was so strong that I had to immediately begin watching at like 9:35, the perfect amount of time to start watching and be able to fast forward all the commercials. I was actually foaming at the mouth to watch. And it would have been cruelty to have asked you all to wait until my belated arrival to begin watching at Caryn's. AND I'd have missed Rock Banding anyway. And also, I have a strict midnight bedtime on weekdays. BUT I wish that circumstances were such so that I could have gone!

in other news, its 935, we are just sitting down to start watching LOST, and mm goes to shut off the lights, but instead hits the master switch, turning off the tv and power boxes. it took a minute to restart, so for all we know we just missed the bomb blowing up. oh mm!
RK Note: OMG how FUNNY, I just wrote (above-- i'm reading the blog simultaneously as I comment) I started watching at 9:35 too! The perfect time! Anyway bummer about the master switch!

1:00 - i just remembered i have some rk blog entries to read! oy. never enough time. btw, wasnt she supposed to be here tonite?
CB Note: You still haven't read RK's notes from last week? Come on! You don't DO anything but WOW!
RK Note: DAMMIT JN, read my notes! I had some unbelievable nuts last week, most importantly my big nut that Locke WAS in fact dead and the "Locke-esque" figure walking around the island was a mere Christian-shepard-esque being who might be the BLACK SMOKE MONSTER. The finale confirmed Locke is truly dead, and now we know he's come back as some sort of Island-being who is Jacob's nemesis going back centuries and centuries, but I am STILL going to bet this being we saw in the form of a man in black eating fishies with Jacob is the BLACK SMOKE MONSTER, which explains how he swirled around Ben a few episodes ago and appeared as his dead daughter and told him to do what Locke said, because it was a BIG TRICK FROM SMOKEY TO MANIPULATE BEN INTO DOING HIS BIDDING AND KILLING JACOB! I used to think Smokey was like WITH Jacob, but now I think Smokey is Jacob's nemesis who is most recently posing as Locke. The only part of this that doesn't make sense is that Locke was kind of with Ben when he took Ben to see Smokey, although he wasn't DOWN in the tunnels with Ben during his Smokey-confrontation, he was above looking for a rope or something. Maybe the Locke-esque nemesis CONTROLS Smokey. Maybe Smokey is like his pet. Locke-esque nemsis : Smokey :: Walt : Vincent.

2:00 - cb wants to have some fish as a snack now.

3:00 - that guy who ate the fish, he is familar. i recognize him. from another tv show. or from LOST.
CB Note: Rita's ex from Dexter - thanks IMDB!
RK Note: WHO KNEW JACOB WAS GOING TO BE HOT! I did NOT nut that, I thought he was going to be old and creepy! But no, Jacob, hot as can be, eating fish back in the day, apparently also ageless like Richard.

4:00 - that guy brought the black rock here? huh? black rock was the ship way before rousseau's right? these guys do not like eachother. cb guessed maybe he was jacob. an earlier version of jacob and richard.
CB Note: The Black Rock was a ship from the 1800s that not only shipwrecked on the island, but mysteriously came to be miles inland. Btw, your blog makes it seem like my guess was "an earlier version of Jacob and Richard. But my guess was just that he was Jacob.
RK Note: I think that was the Black Rock coming in, which dates the encounter between Jacob and his Nemesis to the 1800s, but Jacob wanted the ship but Nemesis didn't... So Jacob has been around a long, long time and so has Nameless Nemesis. Also Jacob is so crafty with his loom, and handy with his cool basket fish traps and stove made out of a rock! What a guy. Do we think Richard was on the island at the time of this scene? Could Richard have arrived ON the Black Rock? Doesn't the ship that was coming in VERY CLOSELY resemble that SHIP IN A BOTTLE Richard was building last week?!?!?!?!?!

5:00 - what a nut for cb!!!! great one babe! and they are at that statue!!! remember when i had that awesome nut earlier this season about the importance of the statue?
CB Note: Wow baby! I can't believe you nutted that the statue was important and would come up again! AMAZING!
RK Note: LOL. What lies in the shadow of the statute? Jacob!

6:00 - if that one guy was jacob, who was the other guy? why does he want to kill jacob? and jacob is certainly powerful, he brought the black rock there the other guy said. sorta like how jacob brought flight 815 maybe?
RK Note: Perhaps Jacob DID bring Flight 815 and not the hatch explosion like we had been led to believe! More importantly than why he wants to kill Jacob, why CAN'T he kill Jacob? Why does he need a "loophole"?

7:00 - who are these kids? cb was in asap with baby kate. im going with... baby juliet?
RK Note: Duh she's got the freckles!

8:00 - now cb and mm say its kates boyfriend and he has that plane thats in the security box later. i barely remember that. kate is stealing a lunchbox, is that what she went to jail for?
CB Note: Oh baby. So Kate (that brunette on the show) had a childhood sweetheart, Tom. They buried a time capsule that included Tom's toy airplane in 1989. At some point when she was older (and an outlaw), she returned home to see her mom, who was dying of cancer and saw Tom. They dug up their time capsule and got the toy airplane. They were in a car when the Marshall was chasing Kate and there was a shootout (Tom was killed) and Kate fled, leaving the airplane behind. The marshall took the airplane and put it in a safe deposit box and told Kate about it, trying to get her to come try and steal it so he could arrest her, which she did.
RK Note: LOL to "that brunette on the show." Good one CB. I liked how she wanted to NKOTB lunchbox.

9:00 - WHO is paying for that lunchbox?! nobody was fast enuff but... ummmm.... omg... IT WAS JACOB AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA.
RK Note: So this is craziness! Visits from Jacob! So Jacob leaves the island! So maybe THAT'S why he was so tough to find sometimes, he can apparently just come and go off the island as he pleases! How does he come and go? Like, does he have a sub or something like that makes sense, or is he like such a special being he can like teleport or fly off the island?

10:00 - btw, any nuts on what show or movie i recognize jacob from?

11:00 - that was pretty freaky, did jacob go visit everyone in the past?
CB Note: That's what I said!
RK Note: And do the visits from Jacob "DO" anything special to them at that time in the past?

12:00 - sure was convenient that faraday left these instructions re the bomb. thats a little ridic tbh.

13:00 - cb wonders if richard is jacob's son. she notes he didnt age, just like richard. mike thinks itd be weird. weve alway sseen jacob as papa jack, and now we see him as this dude. dunno wut to make of morphing jacob.
CB Note: Well I guessed son at the time since they both DO have the non-aging thing. Obviously there is some connection or Jacob used his voodoo on Richard.
RK Note: We NEVER knew for sure Christian Shepard was Jacob, we just inferred it. NOW it seems clear Christian Shepard was NEVER jacob! Who goes around the Island in the bodies of dead people who come to the island as corpses? NAMELESS NEMESIS! All along perhaps the sightings of Christian Shepard and his instructions to the Losties were coming from NEMESIS and were counter to what Jacob wanted. Since it appears clear that Jacob is capable of walking around and appearing as himself. And also, Jacob lives in the shadow of the statute-- I bet that cabin was never his at all either! Ben admitted he never saw Jacob and was just pretending at the cabin. What if NEMESIS was tricking everyone into thinking he was Jacob to use it to his advantage to kill Jacob! I nut that Jacob does NOT morph and we've just never seen him before last night's episode.

14:00 - how is rusedski the dbag above dr. chang in the dharma heirarchy? hes such loon.

15:00 - has ben never met jacob?! i believe somebdoy guessed or learned this last week. i dun remember. :(
CB Note: We learned this last week.
RK Note: REALLY justin? I can see not remembering season 1, or any past season, I can even let slide the begining of this season. But we learned this LAST WEEK!

16:00 - what was that exact line from the start where jacob was like "everything is progress until the end". i wonder if thats important.
RK Note: He said, "there's only one end" or something too.

17:00 - why is frank passed out and bloody? what happened? i dont remember?
CB Note: Sigh. Frank left Sun and Ben and went back to the plane, where Ilana and the other people were taking over. They asked him the q about the shadow of the statue and then knocked him out.
RK Note: Justin needs to take ginseng or something to help his memory

18:00 - good question frank, who the hell ARE these people???
RK Note: I think they're on Jacob's side! Not sure more than that, where they came from. I think they're the ppl who tried to grab him in the van while he was eating his fish taco and then pushed him out of the van and told him he was on the wrong side.

19:00 - whats in the box?! any nuts? mm: walt's dog. cb: are you kidding. jn: a body.
RK Note: I nutted at this point that it was Jon Locke's body in there!!! Related to my note from last week and earlier in the season that I didn't believe Jon Locke was reincarnated and thought Dead was Dead.

20:00 - me: "who died?" cb: "im gonna say sawyer's parents." me: you gotta be kidding, cb is on FIRE!!! obvi they are running through the past of all the characters. and now jacob's gonna say hi!

21:00 - good nut for cb. consolation nut for me. mm gets a raisin, bc jacob did not in fact tough sawyer on the nose.
CB Note: But he does touch him!
RK Note: YES! I think its important that he touches everyone!

22:00 - cb notes that sawyer is writing his letter to sawyer. nut for her.

23:00 - imo, jacks plan has no chance of working. jacob brought them to the island. jack cant undo that.

24:00 - <3 style="color: rgb(204, 0, 0);font-family:georgia;" >CB Note: You? Forget something that happened on Lost? Only a few eps ago? NEVER!

28:00 - what exactly is john gonna accomplish by having ben kill jacob? and how on earth is that even doable?

29:00 - btw, 3 mm sightings in the span of a week. CRAZY!
RK Note: You saw mike mellin 3 times in one week?!?!?!?!?!?!

30:00 - also, star trek was awesome. you (rk) should all go see it!

31:00 - how great was that new samberg-timberlake video short? great cameo by susan sarandon.
RK Note: Didn't see! Love samberg-timberlake! Someone please e-mail me a link!!!!

32:00 - if i recall correctly, we never knew how nadia got killed... and jacob was right there!!!! who was really responsible? ben, widmore, or jacob?
CB Note: We only knew that she was killed, and Sayid wanted revenge. While now it seems as if Jacob could be the reason Nadia was killed (I'm torn between him killing Nadia/him saving Sayid, or both), very interesting findings from Lostpedia:

The circumstantial evidence of a traffic photograph pointed to Ishmael Bakir, an employee of Charles Widmore. Bakir was first seen as Ben surveyed Nadia's funeral with a camera. Bakir watched the proceedings with seeming disinterest, drinking coffee as the procession walked by. Upon Ben's discovery by Sayid, Ben shows him a picture of Bakir in a car at a streetlight, speeding away from a place nearby where Nadia was killed. Ben convinced Sayid that Bakir worked for Charles Widmore. Ben later spied on Bakir from a cafe, while Bakir was reading a newspaper. Bakir suddenly left, and Ben followed closely behind, eventually losing Bakir to the crowd of people. However, Bakir had doubled back, and held Ben at gunpoint, forcing him into a dark alley, where he began to question Ben. Ben instructed Bakir to give a message to Widmore. Suddenly, Sayid appeared and shot Bakir multiple times until the ammunition ran out of his gun. After Bakir falls to the ground, Sayid then states that he wishes to work for Ben.

33:00 - and, does jacob have a twin brother named esau? was that guy at the start of the ep esau?
RK Note: Nice biblical reference! I vote it plausible!

34:00 - i wonder how widmore got to be leader over eloise.

35:00 - i bet when jack and sayid roll out there's already been a disaster at the swan. cb and mm say its just the regular evacuation that chang called for.

36:00 - shootout, OK Corral style!

37:00 - unanimous nuts that it was hurley in that bus. where had he been at?

38:00 - mm finds it hard to believe dharma security failed to hit jack the surgeon while he killed like 84 of them...

39:00 - ok, we just missed something. well. we missed a commercial. and now we are on the beach with sawyer and juliet and kate. and walt's dog. did that dog show up in that box?
RK Note: Vincent just sort of ran out of the jungle

40:00 - and oh to the em gee, its rose and bernard, who have been there for 3 years living in the jungle. lol?
RK Note: I am nutting rose and bernard are the Adam and Eve skeletons! Meaning, they die back in the past...

41:00 - also, why didnt sun flash back to 1977. when they gonna tell us!?
RK Note: I want to know that and also, UH, BIG ONE: WHERE DID THE ISLAND GO AFTER LAST SEASON'S FINALE WHEN BEN "MOVED THE ISLAND"?!?!?!??!?!!??!!

42:00 - i didnt know bernard and rose were hippies.

43:00 - what was with that "do you want some tea?" question?
CB Note: Perhaps it showed Juliet kind of being envious of Rose and Bernard, in love, living alone together forever in their own little paradise. That's what she wanted with Sawyer and now she realizes it's not meant to be!
RK Note: I wanted them to sail off on the sub and live happily ever after together and get rich betting on sports and buying tech stocks in the 90s!

44:00 - frank, tell us whats in that box already! and whats scarier than it! and whos up against who?! OY VAY! who are "the good guys?"
RK Note: I was really jumping up and down at this point with my John Locke's body nut

45:00 - good thing we just learned about rose's hut. which also may be jacobs cabin.... ummm... whats this mean? and do those people work for jacob, or are they working for the person opposing jacob, right?
CB Note: Classic JN! The people are either working for or against Jacob, for or against Ben, or for or against Widmore! Nut!
RK Nut: I don't think this cabin has been Jacob's, at least in any time we've seen it in the island. And what's with that ring of mysterious ash in a circle around it.... Also, MAJOR fire hazard torching this thing!

46:00 - and nuts on bandagefacewoman? mm thinks its hurley, but thats wrong. cb thinks maybe its the girl bounty hunter. shes apparently right. but isnt she showing the thing in the box to an enemy?
CB Note: You're right baby, how could she be in the hospital and on the island at the same time??? Wait, are you saying this show has flashbacks AND time travel?
RK Note: Didn't it seem like she has a pre-existing relationship with Jacob? She said she was happy to see him, as if they knew eachother in the past. I think this meeting here confirms that the bounty hunter and her posse are working FOR Jacob...

47:00 - ooh, who has been using jacobs cabin for the last 3 years?
RK Note: NAMELESS NEMESIS posing as Christian Shepard and others, I think!

48:00 - mm is being rude and annoying. and, i hope that after they burn this hut, it still exists, just to spite his stupid face. and he stinks at rock band. SO THERE!
RK Note: UHHH what did MM do?

49:00 - cb is insane. she just nutted jacob was sitting at the building where locke falls out the window.

50:00 - THATS WHERE I RECOGNIZE JACOB FROM. "dont worry everything gonna be all right." im 100% positive we saw that before. cb doesnt think so. i think we did. i really did. i remember when locke fell out the window we were all kinda "wtf howd he not die?! thats kinda silly." and the answer is bc jacob was there!!!! (and maybe revived him!) . go lostpedia it girls!!!! and then give me monster NUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUT credit.
CB Note: RAISIN. As we discussed thoroughly last night. We have NOT seen Jacob on Lost before. This is the FIRST ep he's ever appeared in.
RK Nut: This is the first time we have EVER seen Jacob!! But I DO like your theory that Jacob revived him because we so did NOT understand how he didn't die.

51:00 - why did jacob let ben run the island all this time if he would never even let ben see him? it seems like maybe jacob din like ben.

52:00 - cb and mm: "wheres claire at yo?"
RK Note: Yet another think I would like to know!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

53:00 - DRIVESHAFTTTTTTTTT.

54:00 - the peanut gallery is busy being critical of jin's vows.

55:00 - who let jacob into the wedding? couldn't sun's rich dad afford better security?
RK Note: His Korean was super

56:00 - mm is pretty bitter about sayid knowing more about bombs than him.

57:00 - SHOWDOWN IN THE JUNGLE INCOMING!!!!! with sayid out of it, sawliate should defeat jurliles easily.

58:00 - why does jacob, like old mother hubbard, live in a shoe (or foot?)

59:00 - cb: when did the giant statue become just a foot. mm: "when jack detonated a hydrogen bomb." here's the thing... that could be a nut...

60:00 - no credit cb, NO CREDIT.
CB Note: No credit for what? You just said that I asked a question in the last entry. I get no credit for asking a question? I'm confused!
RK Note: When DID the statue come down? I always assumed it was like an ancient ruin that crumbled over time... You know, like the statue was 1,000 years old and over the centuries pieces of it broke off and crumbled and whatevs, stuff always happens to old statues, until all that was left was the foot. BUT, we know the statue stood strong and tall in the 1800s-ish when the Black Rock came and we saw Jacob and NN (nameless nemesis) chilling on the beach. SOOOO when and why did the statue come down? Hydrogen bomb is an interesting guess.

61:00 - i just nutted that jack is surgerying his wife. wheres jacob at? jacob didnt have much wisdom to offer, just a candybar.
CB Note: Oh, surgerying.
RK Note: Did anyone else notice the vending machine full of totally made up candy brands?

62:00 - and, while he did not touch everyone on the nose, he did at least touch them all. i wonder if they'll show him touching the rest of the losties and/or tailies.

63:00 - do YOU speak destiny?

64:00 - this seems a little insane for jacks whole motivation to be bc he wants kate.
RK Note: Honestly, she is NOT such a prize!!!

65:00 - wtf, why is juliet changing her mind every 15minutes. is she pmsing?
CB Note: Big *SLAP* for all womankind.
RK Note: Seriously WTF to juliet changing her mind! Sawyer wanted to waltz off into the distance with you! Should have let it be!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

66:00 - she changed her mind, that's it? that's all they're offering? they better offer more!! i wonder if it was that moment she shared with bernard about the tea.

67:00 - mm cheated and ruined my nut that this was juliet and her sister. sigh mm.

68:00 - caryn nutted the mind changing was about kate. oy. mm just mimed shooting himself in the head, 2 handed. im also not buying this. juliet is smarter than a fickle scorned woman. maybe her red flower is blooming.
RK Note: CB NUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

69:00 - cb, it took so long to phone in bc he couldnt find his phone, duh.

70:00 - anybody else think jack is as crazy as crazy lysa?
CB Note: CRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAZYYYY LYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYSA.
RK Note: Concur!

71:00 - i dont remember hurley ever being in jail...
CB Note: Double SIGH. Ok so in the beginning of the season, in 2007, Sayid came to break Hurley out of the loony bin. He knew Hurley was under surveillance and was taking him to a safe house. At this safe house there were 3 baddies waiting to attack them, Sayid killed them all (if you recall, one died by dishwasher). Someone took a cell phone pic, GG-style, of Hurley covered in blood, so the police and media thought he did it. Sayid was unconscious so Hurley drove him to his parents house, where his dad then took him to Jack to help him. Meanwhile, Ben (who was already working along with Jack) went to go see Hurley to get him to come with them back to the island. Hurley, upon seeing Ben, thought of Sayids words from earlier, to do the opposite of anything Ben says, so he ran outside of the house, which was surrounded by cops, and turned himself in.
RK Note: YOU DONT REMEMBER HURLEY BEING IN JAIL? Oy.

72:00 - and cb wonders if that's charlie's guitar.
RK Note: LOVE THE THEORY!

73:00 - oh hmm. this is not before hurleys first trip to the island. what does this mean? hurley didnt get visited before the first trip like everyone else?
CB Note: Jacob visited Kate/Sawyer/Jack/Sun&Jin before flight 815, but Sayid and Hurley after they get back/before flight 316. I wonder what the significance of that is...
RK Note: VERY interesting, I also wonder significance. Also did not visit Juliet at all that we know of... :(

74:00 - jacob is totally arranging the returns to the island? i thought ben or widmore were trying to do that. grar. or locke, thats why locke got sent back. but jacob just coulda done it himself. oyoyoy.
CB Note: Apparently all 3 parties had a hand in it/wanted it to happen...
RK Note: Looks like EVERYONE was busy arranging it! But I see Jacob as like a higher being, so maybe Jacob was also fully aware of what the others were doing.

75:00 - "tell him i said hello." harhar, richard.

76:00 - anybody wanna throw out some nuts re the attempted jacob assassination?

77:00 - why is mm being so negative nelly!!!

78:00 - HAHAHA. oh miles - you are SMART! and, if jack's nuke attempt is what causes the incident and everything that happens subsequently, id like to task cb to looking back at old blogs bc i am POSITIVE that somebody nutted this very fact!!!!!
RK Note: It was me it was me! I said I don't think they can change the past and whatever they do they're just going to do whatever they already did in the past, or something to that effect. I think the past cannot be changed.

79:00 - note, that if jacks attempted bombing does cause the incident, and the statute to turn into a foot, among other things, one would have to think that jack is gonna die too, unless he somehow gets out of hydrogen bomb blast radius which seems a little ridic. for that matter. everyone should die, which ofc doesnt happen bc ben kills all dharma with the gas.
RK Note: What IS the radius of a hydrogen bomb? I think like when they were testing bombs near Los Alamos in the 1940s or whenever that was, maybe earlier, but I think they used to set off bombs underground and in the desert, so maybe a bomb set off UNDERGROUND won't destroy everything/everyone on top, since it seemed like the hole the bomb got dropped down went pretty deep. But then I guess if that happened it doesnt explain the statute. Maybe the explosion creates like an earthquake
OMG so this is where I had to STOP noting yesterday because I got a call to do work and then had to work until 2 AM and then come back to work this AM at 8:00 and do more work and now only FINALLY at 12 PM on May 15th am I able to squeeze in some resumed Lost blogging!!!!!!!!!! I guess I got cut off in the middle of a thought about the explosion creating an earthquake that brings down most of the statue but in retrospect that makes no sense because the statue is already only a foot in 1977, SO, raisin, makes no sense Rachel, my mind is all warbled

80:00 - sawliet just rolled in in the van to save jack! this is just like when han and chewy came back to save luke from darth vader when he was blowing up the original death star!!!!
RK Note: OMG YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS yay star wars references!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

81:00 - cb tosses out that something locke and ben do with jacob will effect this here in the past. i tihnk thats wrong personally. goes against original faraday time travel theories.
RK Note: I still don't want to believe the past can be changed!!! I am with Miles on the theory that the explosion CREATES the "incident" that leads to the necessity of creation of the Hatch

82:00 - MAGNET TIME PEOPLE!!!!

83:00 - nooooooooooo julietttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt.
RK Note: I CRIED. I LOVE Juliet. Even though I don't believe its possible and I think the past is written, I so want time to be rebooted so Juliet can live! And hopefully somehow still meet Sawyer and be Sawliet in rebooted history!!

84:00 - this is sort of like the beginning of the sly stallone movie Cliffhanger.

85:00 - cb is sad. mm thinks juliet's death is unneccessary. i, on the other hand, am confident she is not dead, or will be around for season 7 via some time travel or past changing activity.
RK Note: I HOPE shes not dead but I think she IS. The past cannot be changed, according to original Faraday and Rachel's theories of time travel and destiny and the universe. The past is the past. Dead is dead. Everything up until the end is... progress.

86:00 - i bet we get to find out whats in the box.

87:00 - what did richard say to her?! whats going on?!?!
CB Note: Thanks to EOnline: Richard's answer to Ilana's question ("What lies in the shadow of the statue?") was in Latin, He said, "Ille qui nos omnis servabit." Translation: "He who will save us all."
RK Note: AKA, Jacob!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Also I love that Richard is "Ricardus," how old fashioned. How old IS Richard/Ricardus!!!

88:00 - dead locke was in a different box? there are 2 lockes? the living locke is jacob posing as locke? somebody else? WHAT IS GOING ON PEOPLE!!!! WHERE ARE THE ANSWERS!!!
RK Note: Locke is not alive! Dead is dead!!! We've seen "dead people" alive on the island many a time before, and now it seems clear these dead people are NOT those people after all. I think Nameless Nemesis can use corpses to appear all over the island, like Christian Shepard. I think Jacob just stays in his own body all the time. The Locke-esque guy walking around seems totally evil. AND I think he manipulated EVERYTHING up to this point, even manipulated making Locke think he had to die to get back and it would be OK. Poor dead Locke, not the true meant to be leader after all. Just a pawn, a pawn in Nameless Nemesis's evil evil Jacob-killing loophole-finding games.

89:00 - well, there's jacob talking to living locke now!
RK Note: Dead is Dead!!! Smokey taking human form! Nameless Nemesis making use of corpses! Ahhh!

90:00 - loopholes?! esau found a loophole and is using living locke? or is living locke esau? or has locke always been esau? whats about to happen?!
RK Note: Living Locke is Esau duh! And living locke was always locke until he DIED and came back to the Island as a corpse and Nameless Nemesis ("Esau" as you say) is inhabitating the form of his body, but clearly not the actual body, which is still in the box.

91:00 - why does esau hate jacob so? and how did he get in lockes body? totes gotta rewatch the start.
RK Note: Seems like he can take on forms of any corpses on the Island-- I bet Christian Shepard has been him all along. I wonder why they hate eachother and why he needed a loophole though. ALSO I wonder if the form we saw him in at the beginning of the ep was his "real" body or if he was inhabiting yet ANOTHER corpse in that scene with the fish on the beach and Jacob in the 1800s. maybe he doesn't HAVE his own human form. maybe it's just SMOKEY and SMOKEY is this mysterious thing but can take on the forms of corpses.

92:00 - why didn't jacob try to defend himself? i mean it was obviously locke was up to no good!

93:00 - WHO IS COMING?!?! the good guys?

94:00 - dude, how is it so ez to kill jacob? thats nuts. howd the loophole work?
RK Note: I think the loophole was Namless Nemesis can't kill Jacob himself, he neesd to get someone else to do it, and getting Ben to do it was the loophole, which he achieved by being Smokey or controlling Smokey and making Ben see his dead daughter and say he had to do everything John Locke said and then posing as John Locke and saying Kill Jacob.

95:00 - i told everyone that juliet didnt kick the bucket. nut.
RK Note: Anti-nut?

96:00 - the bomb didnt go off apparently. i guess sayid wasnt a pro after all.
RK Note: OR did Sayid plan to sabotage this plan?

97:00 - and... ruh ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

98:00 - oh come on, really? thats it? ARE YOU KIDDING. wtf. i call bullshit. B.S.

CB Note: RAISIN for you. Juliet is dead. :( Very sad about that!! Sayid may be dead, real Locke is dead. WTF. At this rate, no one will be alive for the series finale!!! This ep was def different, there wasn't a super lot of action til the end, just suspense and a lot of WTF WILL THEY DO?? Classic tho - all buildup to the last few secs and big cliffhanger til next season. Not surprised there! J complained about not getting more of an answer, but this is a finale, they never give us answers, it's supposed to make us be like WTF til next season!

Interesting point from Mike's link:
Also, this explains why Locke tells Richard to tell the real Locke during that time loop paradox that he needs to die in order to bring back the Oceanic Six to the island – It was actually Esau telling Richard that!
Aha! Self-fulfilling prophecy no more! It was Esau pulling the strings!!!
RK Note: AHHHH Nameless Nemesis/Esau is the puppet master and everyone else has been mere puppets all along!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AHHHHHHHHHHHHH. Poor foolish Locke with his convictions of destiny.

LOST post Faraday

:( we'll miss you daniel!!!!

1:00 - oh how harsh, we have to watch him die again :( alas, you cruel cruel world...

2:00 - i thought that was desmond who hit jack. it sounded like desmond. cb nuts it was charles.
CB Note: Desmond in 1977? Oh babe!

3:00 - how'd those boats get in that bottle? i dont understand.

4:00 - how'd john get a boar? i dont remember what happened when he left the beach after returning. did he just roll?
CB Note: Last we saw Locke, he, Sun and Ben were headed towards the beach, but stopped at the Temple first so that Ben could be judged.

5:00 - whats different about him, richard? locke whats your purpose? i dont understand!
CB Note: He's different because he's DIED. The island brought him back to life and now he has a greater sense of meaning and is in tune with the island even more than before!
RK Note: See I think the island may NOT have brought him back to life-- remember, "Dead is Dead." Christian Shepard came to the Island on Oceanic in a coffin, and once on the Island, has appeared to people all over the place as an all-knowing sort of Island ghost who provides guidance, presumably from the Island. So John Locke ALSO came to the Island in a coffin... So is he also like a Christian Shepard-type Island guide who is not REALLY the John Locke who walked the earth while alive, but a very different entity who is an imbodiment of the Island itself? Chew on that. I think something similar has happened to Claire.

6:00 - lol sun. whose people ARE they?!

7:00 -

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Richard watched them all die!!! they're gonna die in the past unless they change it new-faraday style!
RK Note: THIS blew my mind. Because if they ALL die for real, and it happens, WTF, how can so many beloved Lost characters all perish at once-- what is this, 24?! But if they DON'T die, but in the past Richard Alpert saw them die, then they CAN change time and it means Daniel's plan (in Jack's hands to execute) does work and the past changes so the future changes and so the plane never crashes etc etc etc, which makes no sense and negates the show and I refuse to believe and I think the past CAN'T be changed and this Jughead plan is destined for failure and may even be the CAUSE of the big explosion that necessitates the Hatch. SO, better answer to this, is that Richard Alpert THOUGHT everyone died that day, but really somehow the Losties we know and love escape it, through some sort of awesome time-traveling flash that puts them back in 2007 with Sun and Locke, or just by being somewhere else (like how Kate is in the sub with Sawyer and Juliet, and as much as I hope it gets off the island, I'm kinda feeling like there's no way that's happening).

8:00 - cb (calmly) after that big reveal: "spoiler alert." me: "huh?" cb: "they're gonna all die"

9:00 - do they die in the failed attempt to blow up the hydrogen bomb? tbh, if LOST doesn't wanna flake out and change its time travel theories, i think richard's gotta watch them die!
CB Note: He's certainly going to have to see something. We'll see how Lost works it out! I'm thinking that maybe they do do something with the hydro bomb, but it doesn't change the past, perhaps whatever Locke does with Jacob is what brings them back...I'm confused by all the possibilities.
RK Note: there are SO many possibilities, but I still believe the past can't be changed, and they don't all die. Also, Richard Alpert could have lied or bluffed or been mistaken about what he thought he saw in the past.

10:00 - tho i guess they could be revived by the monster/statue/temple like young ben was.
RK Note: So many possibilities! Why didn't they even TRY to revive Dan Faraday that way?

11:00 - oh dharma. you should sue somebody for building your houses on that nuclear waste site!
CB Note: Guess it's not in the shadow of the statue like some said!
RK Note: That was a big RK Raisin!! Maybe something under the shadow of the statue LEADS to these underground tunnels? I want to know how much of the Island this awesome network of underground tunnels spans and where all the exits and entrances are! That swimming under the water to get inside the tunnel was SO something out of Mario Brothers, by the way.

12:00 - sawyers sure in a bad way. i bet he gets saved tho.

13:00 - btw eloise confirmed faraday spoke to her in the 1950s, just like we always thought! gj us!
CB Note: Yea but we knew this already.
RK Note: Uh, duh

14:00 - we both totally nutted that phil was gonna torture juliet to make sawyer talk. thats Torturer 101.
CB Note: And Phil is totally a little d-bag to do it.
RK Note: This episode is like 24!

15:00 - wheres hurley at? why cant they track him down?

16:00 - oh here hurley is. stealing food...

17:00 - whys dr chang seem to be following hurley?

18:00 - lol at the dr chang v hurley history test. great dialogue.
CB Note: HIIIIIIIIIIIILARIOUS.
RK Note: Hurley has had the best dialogue of any character this season. This history test thing was hilarious. I love that Dr Chang believes them!

19:00 - widmore the newb doesnt recognize faraday from the 50s. loser.
CB Note: That's cause Widmore didn't see Faraday in the 50s, he saw Locke, Juliet, and Sawyer.
RK Note: Ditto CB. Only Ellie saw Faraday in the 50s.

20:00 - cool scene of john taking richard to save john after he got shot. i wish i remembered that scene to see if richard told john who told richard to be there. pretty awesome. also, cb is loving that all this amazing stuff that john was able to convince richard was all just stuff john already knew or did. its the self fulfilling john is the special leader prophecy.
CB Note: So awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I love the full circle-ness of everything on Lost. It is really interesting to try to figure out the linearity of it all and why they're doing all this. Like, at first, Locke didnt know what to do, but Richard came and told him that he's going to have to get everyone back to the island and die to do so, so he, and we, believed it thinking Richard knew everything. But really Locke told him what to tell Locke, because that's what already happened to him! But Widmore also told Locke (when he saw him after Locke left the island) that this was what had to be done, so is that the reason that Locke knows to tell Richard to tell Locke to bring them all back!?
RK Note: SO CIRCULAR, I love it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! A self-fulfilling time loop! And maybe John is only thinking he's the Others' special leader because he told the Others he was in the past, and so in the future he thinks he is, but then he tells everyone he is, so he's only the special leader because he said he was!

21:00 - and cb mentions the compass that john wants richard to give to john so john can give it to richard in the 50s. L.O.L.

22:00 - nice of them to reshow this scene for us also.

23:00 - oooh. John is calling "liar liar pants on fire" on ben seeing jacob ever!
RK Note: John totally is spot on!

24:00 - "to give richard his compass back" - nutted by cb 3min ago!

25:00 - hahahaha at the dying part. "glad that didnt have to happen"

26:00 - awesome ep so far.

27:00 - BANG BANG. cb: "Sayiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiid"

28:00 - twisty twisty.

29:00 - bummer for sayid on that whole we saved ben linus thing...
RK Note: Major bummer, but goes towards rule the past can't be changed!

30:00 - jack: "this is our destiny." kate: "do you know who you sound like?" jn: "locke locke locke!!!!! (nut)'"
CB Note: Actually it was more like CB: "She means Locke baby. It's Locke. You probably don't get it, but it's Locke"
RK Note: LOL

31:00 - awww, and chang didnt abandon baby miles after all. it was only to save him! we totes all knew there was a good explanation.
CB Note: Yea I figured it was something like this but still awwwww for Miles realizing it!
RK Note: Yay, we called this! I knew Dr Chang was a good daddy after all!!!! So happy Miles had the chance to realize it.

32:00 - it would be kind of ironic if they all died except jawyer, who get off via sub, bet on the Cowboys, and live happily ever after.
RK Note: I am SO rooting for this to happen! How awesome would it be, in theory, for Sawliet to be able to go right back to 1977 and know the future and thus profit off of it? They could live so happily ever after!

33:00 - so howd they get the bomb in here to begin with? any guesses?
RK Note: Secret passageway under the shadow of the statue? ;)

34:00 - i like young eloise btw.

35:00 - ruh roh. locke is trying to find out the man behind the jacob curtain! and hes bringing everyone.

36:00 - "why do you think i tried to kill him" harharhar. think richard is like the real leader? i mean, hes the one who never dies... or ages... this is trixxy! but the island talks to john!
CB Note: I know, very confusing! Who is Richard?! He is really anxious about bringing Locke to Jacob. Is he Jacob himself?
RK Note: SO INTERESTING, we are seeing shades of Richard we've never seen before... We know he's sort of bad because we saw him recruit Ben and initiate the Dharma purge and mass murder, but lately I've seen him as someone good who has answers and is peaceful and is an advisor and guide. But WHAT is going on here. Is Jacob a total hoax, like the man behind the curtain in the Wizard of Oz? And so Ben DID try to kill John so he'd never come back, which I think John well knows and he's keeping Ben on a short leash. Locke might be dead ANYWAY, re: my earlier hypothesis.

37:00 - and jacob talked to john last time he went to see jacob.
CB Note: Well, Christian did.
RK Note: Right, IS Christian Jacob? Is Locke now the new Christian and the new Jacob? Maybe Locke was ALWAYS Jacob? WHO is Richard Alpert and WHY does he not age!

38:00 - well that sure is gonna ruin my "jawyer lives happily ever after" nut :( get off that sub kate!
CB Note: AWWWWWWWWWWWKWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARD
RK Note: KATE RUINING EVERYTHING YET AGAIN! KATE MUCKING UP SAWLIET! ARGHHH!

39:00 - oh, and also, 4 serious, this sub totes aint gettin off this island.
RK Note: I'll give nut credit for that, I concur.

40:00 - good point on that lack of trust logic sayid.

41:00 - JOHN WANTS TO KILL JACOB WTFXOMGBBQ!
RK Note: Awesomeness. If Jacob is a ghost or a god, how can you kill him? You can't kill something that's not alive.

42:00 - and ohnoes the ep just ended. ARGH!
CB Note: 42:00 for you. Oy.
RK Note: How about Locke admitting to Ben that he lied to SUn about helping find Jin and revealed he wasn't interested in reuniting with the Losties at all?!?! What kind of monster has Locke come back as?!?!? he has his OWN agenda and is being a little cruel to poor Sun!

and, whoa next week is the season finale!!! this season was just ridic amazing.
CB Note: I don't want it to end :(
36:00 -
RK Note: I don't want it to end either!!! Best season ever!!!

LOST April 29, 2009

After a LOST hiatus, we are BACK! I think i'd rather be rockbanding though!!! Did you guys here I am able to do 280 note streaks on Hard Drums???
CB Note: Rather rockband instead of LOST?? For shame!
RK Note: OMG I must get Dave to open his Rockband!!!!

1:00 - oooh i forgot, its a Faraday ep. im kinda excited now

2:00 - cb is glad we are getting desmond. i bet he lives. bill it later.
CB Note: Of course he lives! No one dares to mess with my Penny & Desmond! They're the heart and soul of the show! (I heart them)

3:00 - Eloise Hawking just admitted her son is Faraday! and its his fault desmond got shot!
CB Note: Duh about the sonage.
RK Note: Ditto CB duh to son.... And Justin, you knew this!! Anyway the reason this was not in blog records is because Justin did not BLOG the season premiere, but it was discussed via e-mail:

from Rachel Kurth to Justin Nash cc Caryn Hammer , Mike Mellin date Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 10:47 AM subject Re: Lost Chat! mailed-by gmail.com

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why is no one replying to my Lost chat?! i wish we blogged it. also, could that young girl on the island be faraday's mom? I still think that woman from last week's episode who was doing the experiment on the computer in that weird church looking lab place wearing the hooded cloak is also daniel faraday's mom (my nut from last week), but could the girl on the island be his mom before he was born, which is why she looked familiar to him? could faraday have been born on the island? could charles widmore be his dad? the girl on the island and widmore could have hooked up when they were Others, had Faraday...?

from Caryn Hammer to Rachel Kurth cc Justin Nash , Mike Mellin date Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 10:52 AM subject Re: Lost Chat! mailed-by gmail.com

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I was JUST going to reply that I thought she was faraday's mom too! But I was still reading your first email! :) I think it's a great guess. The girl who's sick in the present couldnt be the same girl cause she's young in the present. The girl from 1954 would be old in the present (around widmore's age, which would match up with faraday's mom)

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Also in the episode where Richard Alpert visited Locke as a little kid, remember he showed Locke 3 things and asked him to pick one? Was that compass one of the things he asked Locke to pick?

Also I am very concerned that Penny and Desmond are going to LA to find Faraday's mom, who I think is the woman who was with Benjamin Linus 2 episodes ago like i discussed above in the lab wearing the hood, and if they find her and she's with Ben, Ben will know where Penny is, and he told Charles Widmore he wants to kill his daughter the way Widmore's men killed HIS daughter, meaning Ben could try to kill Penny when they get to LA!!!

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Yes, the compass was one of the objects the richard showed him. He asked locke to pick what objects already belonged to him and that compass was one of the things he picked.

True! I am very concerned about ben trying to kill penny and if he succeeds i will be extremely upset with lost cause i think that the relationship between desmond and penny is such an important thing in this show and is by far the relationship i root for, over kate and her many men!

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rachel was throwing out one awesome theory after another. i was impressed. i LOVE the idea of that you g girl being daniels mom. she was getting ALOT of screentime and i was kinda like "why does this random girl with a gun have so much screentime this ep"

coma girl i tihnk is just some gf that daniel tried time traveling on. and what happened ot her is like caryn said to those othe rpeople, and now apparently to charlotte as well.

AMAZINg nut on that compass from that episode. makes it look so AWESOME in retrospect.

as to time travel paradoxes, like with heroes , they are hard ot tihnk about logically. i will expound on hte 2 coherent time travel theories a show could use at our next game or lost tv nite.

it woudl be kinda awesome if daniel was charles widmores son. im inclined to not think so, but its only been 1 ep, so we dont know any relationships yet between 1950s others. lets just reiterate how AMAZING it is that that was yougn charles widmore, former other. just so cool. shaping up to be an awesome season. this ep was better than the first ep maybe, and def one of hte top eps all time.

and, finally, bc this ep was so amazing, next week i will resume...

LOST NUT BLOGGING!!!!!!!!!

Many nuts were had, and then Justin promptly forgot them!

4:00 - HOW JACK HOW! TELL THE SCIENTIST!

5:00 - ohnoes! how do they not belong there? dont they always have to have been there b/c thats the way LOST time travel works?! or did it get changed by Desmond impacted it? im confused. also, didnt faraday send desmond to his mom for some reason to begin with?

6:00 - ooh, Star Trek preview. cb: "what's going on on Hoth?"

7:00 - oh little faraday, you CAN make time! youre a time traveler!!! but imo you should play the drums!

8:00 - what were the circumstances many eps ago when we saw faraday in a dharma outfit in the orchid? i dont remember what we were watching. only that it was this... i forget the context of the ep tho.
CB Note: This is where I had to explain to Justin the entire beginning of the first ep of the season where we see Chang go to the Orchid station to yell at that guy about the drilling and then he passes a guy and it's revealled to be Faraday. Also, I just went to look back in the blog to post the nuts that I believe both Rachel and I had regarding how that could have happened, and that post is nowhere to be found! I think Justin deleted it to deprive us of our nuts!
RK Note: OMG JN, that was the whole thing in the premiere!! And Caryn and I both absolutely discussed many a theory about how that could have happened and I correctly nutted Dan was in 1977 posing as a member of the Dharma initiative! I allude to it in this post: http://nashsnuts.blogspot.com/2009/02/lost-feb-18-2009.html

9:00 - oh i love it. Faraday stoned up and actually answered "im from the future". and i suppose we are about to learn about the first big event at the swan. please answer my questoin in the last entry tho girls.
CB Note: No, instead I think we need to berate Justin for not paying enough attention to the best show on TV.
RK Note: Justin should have to reread his own blogs as homework before Lost episodes

10:00 - omglol. "dr chang... Miles is your son"
CB Note: So awesome. Can't believe Miles wussed out of confirming.
RK Note: Me too! Miles totally should have confirmed!!!

11:00 - whats dr chang supposed to do! obvi faraday is worried that jack is gonna mess it up i bet dr chang is gonna get killed perhaps... explaining how hes out of miles life.
RK Note: Except Mommy Chang thinks he abandoned her and baby Miles... Hmmmm...

12:00 - caryn nutted that this chick at faraday's graduation was the time travel girl that got mucked up.

13:00 - that widmore grant surprised eloise. why?
CB Note: Cause she didn't know he'd do that? Nut?

14:00 - lol at hurley's "wishy washy"

15:00 - i bet its faraday at the door interrupting the tem meeting.

16:00 - nut.
RK Note: Oy.

17:00 - omg jackin' it up even further. now he wants to go see the hostiles!

18:00 - and eloise is a hostile!!! and they need to find her! aaaaaaaaaaaaaa. is she gonna be that girl from the 1950s ep we thought she would be?
CB Note: Duh she's a hostile. I nutted that back in 1954. The episode is also inconspicuously missing for JN's blog.
RK Note: SERIOUSLY, Justin? Please refer to e-mails from January, above.

20:00 - dude, i dont even remember this "faraday crying at the plane crash" scene except now that im seeing it again i sorta remember it happening. and hes visited by widmoooooooooooooooore. omg the condition affects his memory? faraday is sick? it seems like hes sick in the future with memory trouble! htf did he get ok enough to get sent to the island! im so lost. and cb is being mean to me too bc i cant remember stuff.
CB Note: Yes this is when I got fed up that J can't remember a single thing from this show. The whole fun is the remembering!!!! I bet you remember every stupid quest you've done in WOW, but not this stuff?!?! This is when I have to explain to J that yes, we saw the beginning part of the Faraday crying scene before last season when we got our first glimpse into the backstories of the 4 freighter peeps. Then I have to explain to him that Faraday was a scientist at Oxford and did time travel experiments on rats and people (himself and his assistant Theresa) who became "unstuck" and is now bedridden. Obviously whatever he tested on himself cause memory loss, and we (yet not J) did know that he had memory problems since we saw Charlotte playing a memory game with Daniel on the island last season. Please hate on JN now.
RK Note: LOL at CB's exasperation. I sympathize. I have hated on JN so much this blog though I'm starting to feel bad about it.

21:00 - yea, whys this plane crash bothering faraday so much! i KNEW it was widmore that set up the fake, not ben. credit pls.
CB Note: No credit for something we all guessed (and was pretty much proven last ep by Miles mindreading that dead guy who worked for Widmore)

22:00 - i dont see why faraday would be sad. this faraday hasnt met any of the people yet...
CB Note: Maybe he knows deep in his subconscious.

23:00 - was faraday losing his memory every day when he first came to island. oooh, widmore just said the island woudl heal him, locke style.
CB Note: Yes, just like it heals EVERYONE.

24:00 - faraday: "why would you help me?" cb: "luke, i am your father."
RK Note: LOL, and points for Star Wars references.

25:00 - hey, faraday just said it was that girl we thought from the 50s!
RK Note: GROAN at Justin's thinking this is still a nut

26:00 - cb totally just nutted faraday making a "dont come back to the island" charlotte pitstop.

27:00 - faradays totes trying to change things. that cant work. whys chang sending poeple off the island?

28:00 - cb's "lolling" over that "beginner" line.
CB Note: You know, when Kate's handing out the guns. lol.

29:00 - so, am i the only one who immediately thought "i cant belive nobody shot those giant drums of fuel" immediately, and then "finally" when jack got aroudn to.

30:00 - rusedski is a dbag btw. cant wait ot see him get killed.
CB Note: We discussed in a prior blog how he's the guy who ends up pushing the buttons with a partner prior to Desmond's arrival. And he killed himself.

31:00 - things are NOT looking good for jawyer.
RK Note: LOL to jawyer as opposed to sawliet

32:00 - a few things on this faraday plan. first, i believe it was totally nutted by somebody that this buried hydrogen bomb from the 50s woudl totally find later usage. second, im nto sure how i feel about this "hey i can change the past" stuff now...
RK Note: Yes I believe this was nutted by somebody. I think I nutted that Jughead (the bomb) is buried beneath the shadow of the statute, and thus is what lies beneath the shadow of the statute. Not sure if that is right, but I like Faraday's insane plan to detonate a hydrogen bomb to somehow eradicate the electromagnetic forces. I'm no physicist, but... Sounds to me like a recipe for two explosions, or just a super big explosion.

33:00 - re my second question, cb quite legitamtely nuts that faraday's plan will fail, thereby preserving the past. it better, as far as im concerned. im not sure how all this "people are variables" stuff would makes sense anyway!
RK Note: I do NOT like this whole changing of the past thing, because if you can change the past, it could be like the entire show of Lost never happened, and an alternate reality will exist where dead people can be alive and live people can be dead, and Jack, Kate, etc, might never be on the island at all, and are they just going to VANISH to accomodate this alternate reality, and then time and the past would be in constant flux and could change over and over and over again ALL the time and it just would make no sense and make this show as awful as Heroes. I'm going to nut that they TRY to change the past, but it fails every time, and they just wind up going what fate destined them to do all along...

34:00 - "for the first time in a long time, i dont know whats going to happen next". oh eloise.
RK Note: Perhaps because she was only visited in the past with knowledge leading up to the Lost-day present, aka, what Jack and Kate etc know up to 2007 (the present in Lost time) and tell her when they hang out with her in 1977 is all she knows... After that, the future is unknown to her.

35:00 - HES WIDMORES SON TOO!! SLAP!
CB Note: Second DUH. Nut from way back!
RK Note: Refer to e-mails from JANUARY. Seriously, nutted from three months ago.

36:00 - also.. she sent him back "knowing full well"... knowing WHAT full well?!?!

37:00 - well, i guess we know WHAT she knew full well. however, as for faraday dying, i do NOT like it. aside from him being a great char, i want him aroud nto explain stuff!!!
CB Note: I'm also piiiiiiiiiissed about this development. I really liked Faraday. He was a really interesting character. So the question is...why did Eloise send him back?! She knew she had killed him, so she knew she had to send him? Cause the past has to have happened like it did a la Faraday? Whatever it is, it sucks.
RK Note: Maybe he's not dead? Maybe Richard Alpert can take him to that Temple where they took Ben after Ben was shot and steal his innocence and heal him into an Other just like Mommy and Daddy? If he's dead, SADDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD! And what a mean bad Mommy knowing his whole life she's going to shoot him dead and then forcing him to abandon his dreams of being a pianist and forcing him onto the path of being a scientist who must go to the island and DIE. Worse mom than Sun!

Re next week: how convenient that jack can apparently read the journal instructions!

A Storm of Swords Entry 8

Well, a day's absense in memoriam for the day that Caryn threw the book. I shall not speak of the events that transpired any more. All that should be said has been said. Requiascat in Pace.
CB Note: :(
RK Note: SO SAD. But... valar morghulis. We discussed this via e-mail/gchat, so I suppose its all been said. But let me note my extreme DISAPPOINTMENT that LB this is apparently your LAST ASOS blog entry!!! Sigh :(

Anyway, the next chapter I dare speak of is Tyrion. Awk. dinner w/ Tyrion and Sansa. He should just freaking get the marriage annulled. JN--Think there was any jactitation of marriage here? Sansa goes to the godswood (maybe she'll be rescued afterall!) and Tyrion goes to Tywin's chamber where everyone is waiting. They have news from the Twins of the day that Caryn threw the book. Everyone is all rejoicing and stuff and Tyrion realizes this is what Tywin was all secretly plotting. Ass hole. Joffrey talks about how he wants everyone's heads and Tywin says he must forgive those people who bend their knee b/c it's the only way to be a King. Joffrey says some nasty stuff back to his grandfather about how Tywin was afraid of Aerys and then Tywin essentially sends him to bed without dinner. Joffrey is such a jackass. Tywin and Tyrion talk about how he needs to be taught a lesson. Apparently Roose has been named Warden of the North and is going to take Arya and marry her to his bastard. Ugh . I hope Arya finds needle and feeds Roose's manhood to the goats! Does this mean Arya isn't dead? I'm confused. Also how are they going to get her...I thought they didn't know where she is? Sigh.
CB Note: Tywin was behind is all!! What a royal D-BAG! He can go to hell, and take stupid Joff with him!!!!!!!!!! (I am too upset about the Red Wedding to note further on the topic)
RK Note: Of course Arya isn't dead!!! The Hound just smacked her on the back of her head with the flat of his axe to save her from running into the Red Wedding and gteting butched! Ugh Tywin plotting with that damn Frey, but it was ALL Robb's damn fault for marrying Jeyne Frey!!! That Joff dare talk back to Tyrion, someone needs to PUT HIM IN HIS PLACE!!!!!!!! Also how the F did they manage to skin Grey Wind without some ppl dying? Do you think Grey Wind just like dropped dead when Robb died? Are they that connected that one cannot live without the other?

To Davos. Melisandre and the ugly Queen are all happy about the news of Robb's death. Melisandre foretold it and the whole leach blood thing blahhhh. Now they are making the case again that Stannis should let them kill Robert's bastard in order to raise dragons. Davos convinces them that Joffrey is still alive and so the prophecy wasn't fulfilled and Stannis spares the bastard again. Davos has an awkward convo with Stannis where he keeps on challenging him. Stannis apparently saw a vision of a king with a flaming crown that burned him. Freaking Melisandre is gonna be the death of him! Davos goes to his reading lesson with Pylos (which is btw, sooo hillarious). He ends up reading a letter from the wall about the wildlings coming. He hadn't heard this before. Apparently Pylos had given it to the old hand who dismissed it.
CB Note: Everyone ignores the wall! When all the wildlings come down and attack them, i bet they'll wish they helped!
RK Note: Osha warned them, they're matching the wrong way!!!! Forget the wildlings, what if those Others come! They seem to be the DARK that is the opposite of R'Hllor's LIGHT that Melisandre is claiming is the REAL war... Its cute how Davos is learning to read with the kids!!!

Jon at the wall waiting for the wildlings to come. He is on a crutch and limping and is placed on the roof with a longbow. They wait all day and nothing happens. Then the wildlings come at night. Very dramatic scenes here of Jon limping and like shooting people down. The wildlings are apparently winning at some point with a lot of Night's Watch dead and then they all excitedly charge towards the gate, which is a trap. Jon and the others light the stairs on fire and it consumes all of the wildlings. The wall defends itself!!! Jon goes to see and finds Ygritte with an arrow in her chest dying. It isn't his arrow but he feels guilty. They have a touching conversation about the night in the grotto and he says she won't die. Her last words are "You know nothing, Jon Snow." How touching and sad :(.
CB Note: WHAT an exciting chapter, right?!?! The whole time I'm like, how are they going to make it? What are they gonna do?! It wasn't looking good. and then BAM. The wall defends itself. And I heart Jon Snow even more.
RK Note: I am SO glad the wall defends itself and SO glad the Nights Watch had such a good plan! Sad about Ygritte dying of course. It keeps looking sooooo bad for the Wall but then the Nights Watch has such good clever plans up their sleeves!!! YAY JON SNOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Super long and exciting Bran chapter next. Bran Meera Jojen and Hodor are at Nightfort one of the abandoned towers on the wall. Jojen had dreamed that there was a gate here but it is barred. We learn that Bran has dreamed of the Night that Caryn threw the book and hasn't told anyone yet :(. Also apparently he was conscious of helping Jon with the wildlings. They make camp in the kitchens when Bran wakes up to a noise coming from steps in the well. He wakes up Meera who snares something coming out of the well. It is.....Sam and Gilly!! It makes me happy that different characters are coming together! Turns out Sam and Gilly were rescued by the guy who isn't a wight after all. They've named him coldhands. He told them that they would cross over this underground passage by this secret gate that only Night's Watch people can open and find someone. This someone is clearly Bran and did I not Nut that Coldhands was the Three Eyed Crow! NUTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT.
Also, a few things here. Cute dialogue when Sam realizes Bran is Jon's brother and tells Summer he knows Ghost and Summer like licks Sam's hand. I only trust people who Pokey likes. Also when they are waiting for something to come out of the well, Bran is again able to go into Hodor's skin. He's gonna be such a talented warg!!!!
CB Note: Another GREAT chapter. This Jon/Bran duo of chapters is like the only reason I continued to read after the Night I Threw The Book. It made me smile again!!
RK Note: Also, is it being a warg to be able to go into Hodor, or being something else? I thought the term Warg was wolf-specific, but maybe not. I LOVED this chapter, I love when characters unite, I love how Sam realized it was Jon Snow's brother and met Summer and she licked his hand! So cute! I want a direwolf!!!

LB I AM SO SAD YOUR BLOGGING ENDED HERE!!!

A Storm of Swords Entry 7

Begin with Jon riding towards the wall. Poor guy is badly injured and feverish and delirious. He gets to the Kings Road and finally reaches Mole Town where he can get a fresh horse. When he gets to the Shadow Tower, they admit him but apparently had word that he had gone over to Mance Rayder b/c someone had spied him in the camps. There have been wildlings climbing over the walls but Jon tells them this is a distraction, the real threat is coming from the Gift where people already are. They go to see Maester Aemon who tells him about all the news, including that Bran and Rickon are "dead." Jon seems to be unsure if Bran is already dead because he saw summer and he asks if Bran could have gone on living in Summer's body. I think Maester Aemon thinks he's just delirious though. They start mending his leg, which seems mighty painful. Jon speaks to some of his old friends who tell him what had happened at Crasters. Apparently about 12 or so made it out. They tell him about Sam killing the Other with the dragon glass but say they left him there muttering with Mormont. Jon is distraught but at least he got them some warning!
CB Note: Way to go Jon!! I was so happy he made it back!! Not much else to say for this chapter.
JN Note: smart by jon asking about bran and summer. hes alive jon, you knwo it in your heart! as for what to do about the wildlings, its a good thing jon got back in tiem to warn them!
RK Note: I can't believe Jon made it back to the Wall! I am so USED to Arya journeying far and wide and never being able to get to Riverrun that I've come to not actually expect anyone to get to where they want to go, especially considering how far Jon has come! But he made it back to the Wall! AMAZING, that Jon Snow!!!

Catelyn and Robb have finally reached the Freys. As they are entering Grey wind like attacks one of the Frey's (Pimply Peter or something lol) and Robb almost can't call him off. They go in to talk to old man Frey who is, as usual, gross and old and annoying. Robb apologizes to him and he like parades his daughters and such around being like look what you missed. But overall it went slightly better than they thought. Which makes me suspicious. He's up to something. Edmure meets Roslin who turns out to be kinda cute. Catelyn is suspicious though so when she leaves the great hall she questions the Maester who assures her that nothing is wrong with her reproductively-speaking. Oh Catelyn, always so practical! Roose Bolton shows up informing them that they had lost a battle to the mountain. Ugh. He also has a piece of Theon's skin, which he says his bastard took. He claims that Theon is still alive and that they should ransom him b/c he is successor to the throne.
CB Note: I never like it when our Starks are separated from their wolves! I'd keep Patches by my side no matter what. You didnt mention also, Catelyn remembers to ask for food when they first get to the Twins, so that they'd be protected by Guest Right. She IS practical, isn't she? Also, if you were Frey, why would you marry Edmure to a pretty daughter?
JN Note: when i go to long island, i bring Hamlet with me so we can always be together! also, eww at all this flaying of skins. As for Petyr Pimple, this one week cb had a pimple, so i kept calling it petyr pimple. it was very cute :)
RK Note: Oh noes, I was hoping Theon was DEAD DEAD DEAD as a doornail! I was VERY suspicious of the Freys being up to something when Roslin was pretty and the rooms they were given were nice. It is NEVER GOOD when Grey Wind is not in the hall with Robb!!! JN you are cute when you give CB's pimples affectionate names.

Arya and the Hound are arriving at the Twins. They get by a guard b/c the Hound is dressed as a farmer who is bringing some pork for the wedding. The wedding has already occurred and they're in the celebration (or so they can here). They are sent to some tent to give the food to some tent but they head towards the castle. Not much happening here.
CB Note: I was so happy at this chapter! Arya's so close!!! She's gonna get to see Catelyn!!
JN Note: does this mean's LB's much disputed pity nut on Houdn helping arya is going to come true?
RK Note: I was sooooooooooooooooooooooo excited and ready for an Arya/Catelyn/Robb reunion!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I was so pissed 'cause I had to stop in the middle of this chapter! Catelyn is watching as a lot of people get majorly drunk and stuff at the wedding. She seems somewhat nervous something is gonna happen. The music is terrible. They won't let Grey Wind into the wedding! Robb has danced with all of the Freys as he promised. And Roose goes to the privy...and that's all I got to...Sigh...
CB Note: Booooooo to not finishing your chapter! Stupid trains, stupid work! Can't we just read all day instead??
JN Note: even if we couldnt read all day, coudl we wow all day? thatd be good too. as for the wedding, who doesnt get drunk at weddings?! altho i will say, it sorta sucks when the badn plays bad music. more Disturbia and 80s pls! less 60s! screw the old people!
RK Note: I wish we could read all day!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Catelyn has a sense of foreboding at this wedding for sure.... And that band sure is terrible, something sure is fishy about that... Its never a good sign when the "Winds of Castamere" begin to play and its not a Lannister wedding...

A Storm of Swords Entry 6

More character-by-character goodness. As I will point out in the Arya section, I believe I must be given credit for a semi-G-chat nut. CB can witness!

Sam: The remaining few Night's Watchmen have reached Crasters again. Craster has taken them in grudgingly and is feeding them but not enough. There are grumblings by some of the men that he has a hidden cache of food. They can hear that girl giving birth, the one who tried to get Jon to take her with. Sam talks to Mormont who is wondering why they didn't know about the Dragonglass being what kills the Others. He said that they need to go find more. The girl, whose name I now see is Gilly (which reminds me of Harry Potter 4, where he has to breath under water and takes Gilly weed) does in fact have a boy. They go to have a feast and at some point, one of the men starts complaining that Craster is holding out on them. There is an argument and when Craster goes at them the Night's watch dude kills him! Mormont is enraged! This is now way for a guest to act. Then all hell breaks loose and dude stabs Mormont. NOOooooo. The Old Bear is dying in Sam's lap. He tells Sam he must go back to the wall and warn them. Then a couple of the older wives come and tell Sam he must go and take Gilly with him with the child. The Others come and take the newborn boys. They get them some supplies and horses and let them on the way.
CB Note: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!! This chapter was CRAAAAAAAaZY! Like, Lysa-Crazy! I couldn't believe what I was reading! So killed Mormont!! The Old Bear!!!!! Say it ain't so! Lol at the Gilly weed. Doesn't Mormont leave a dying wish for Sam to tell Jorah that he's sorry/he forgives him/he wants him to join the Watch or something like that? Anyway, I really wanted to smack those ungrateful dudes who started the fight.
JN Note: oh poor Old Bear! this was pretty sad. what will the Nights Watch do without their Bear! they are leaderless. frankly, if i didnt have my bear, id be lost :( I cant believe those dummies violated Guest Right! tyrion sure was right when he told jon in book 1 that the nights watch was lots of thieves rapists and murderers. GRR!
RK Note: I was SO SAD when Commander Mormont was murdered, and by his own men!! Correct about his dying wish for Jorah!! If he only KNEW what Jorah's been up to in exile! NO ONE SEEMS TO CARE A FIG FOR GUEST RIGHT LATELY, ITS AWFUL!!! Its a shame the Nights Watch is made up mainly of such poor stock.

Sam and Gilly travel down South towards the wall. They have two horses but one dies so Sam has to walk. They reach a village and get ready to stay for the night. They fall asleep and wake up with the fire out and someone at the door. It's Small Paul...as a wight!!! Noooo. Sam tells Gilly to take the horse out. He lunges at Small Paul with the dragon glass dagger but it shatters!!!! (Huh? So I guess Wights are different than Others?) Sam somehow gets to a burning piece of wood as Paul is about to strangle him and sets him on fire! yayyyy. He goes outside though and Gilly is surrounded by Wights. Oh no!!!! But then, a huge amount of crows start coming at the wights and peckign at them. There is this mysterious dude all in black who has rescued them. Woohooo! They are excited but then Sam sees the dude's hands and it is all black. Ruh roh.... (PS: Is this the three eyed crow Bran is looking for??)
CB Note: Ok so, I was SO FRICKIN SCARED during this chapter!!! I seriously thought it was like the scariest chapter ever, reading about the sight of all the wights surrounding them, I was like totally freaked out. And per our gchat discussion, we will not be commenting on your PS question lol.
JN Note: obviously, if GRRM wanted you to know who this big dude with the cold black hands who saved them was, he woulda told you. as for what we'll do, youll have ot wait! as for Others and Wights, i strongly suggest you look at recent notes i made to either ASOS or rk's AGOT blogging, where i describe the difference. sicne you dont know it, it is apparent that you are SKIPPING the extensive noting that goes on when rk finalls reads her chapters. SHAME ON YOU!
CB Note: Um, actually baby, it was one of LB's blogs where we had a whole discussion of Wight vs Other....sooooo kinda looks like YOU are the one who isn't paying close enough attention...
RK Note: I think the glass shattered against Small Paul's chainmail-- it appears Wights are clad in whatever they died in. LOL to the JN/CB exchange and discussing of my RK noting. My first guess when someone rescued them was that it was Benjen Stark and he's been somehow living out there in the cold and has become like half-dead with black frostbitten hands but he's still out there as a protector. But from further reading it seems its the 3-eyed crow. Unless Benjen Stark IS also the 3-eyed crow!

Bran: Speaking of Bran, he Meera and Jojen have lead him to the gift and they reach this village with a castle surrounded by water. Bran remembers from one of Old Nan's stories that there is a hidden causeway under the water so they walk through and get to the tower. They go up to the top and settle in for the night b/c a storm is coming. As the storm is starting they see a solitary rider, then the lightning starts and Hodor is freaaaaaaaaked out and screaming HODOR HODOR!! All of a sudden Jojen sees a whole bunch of people coming into the village and they try and shut Hodor up. Interesting moment when Bran screams HODORR STOPP!!! and is able to become Hodor for a second before he calms down. Bran is gonna be a talented Warg!!! He then senses Summer who can "smell fear."
JN Note: If bran could warg into hodor, he could be a strong powerful knight!!! any guesses on who is in that village? i bet its jon....
RK Note: AWESOMENESS on Bran being able to be Hodor. If he can perfect this, he'll be able to WALK, through other people!!!! But what happens to Hodor when Bran is controlling Hodor, I'd like to know.

Jon: Turns out the people in the village that Bran saw were the wildlings that Jon is traveling with. Jon is still Ygritting his teeth and playing along with all the Wildling stuff. But he's trying to figure a way out of there. When they get to a village head wildling dude calls Jon and says they've found this old man (the man that Bran saw). To prove his loyalty Jon must kill the guy. Jon cannot make himself do it b/c the guy is old and innocent. Ygritte is angry and goes up and kills the man and says something like You know nothing Jon Snow. As she does so a wolf comes and attacks the wildlings. Jon thinks it's Ghost but in fact it's Summer! Jon takes the opportunity with all the confusion to take a horse and ride away. After he escapes enough he stops and notices he has an arrow in his leg which he grotesquely pulls out. He turns to go warn the Night's Watch.
CB Note: Gotta do the above two in one note. AHHHHHHHHH!!! How awesome were these two chapters?!?! I love how it starts from Bran's POV and continues on through Jon's. Also, I'm pretty sure I nutted that the group of people were the group of Wildlings with Jon back in Bran's chapter. Just to toot my own hown a bit. ;) YAY SUMMER! She saved Jon!!!! He finally got away!!!! SO HAPPYYYYY!!!
JN Note: nut for me!! great b2b chapters imo. and cb did nut that. i was impressed at the time. love how bran saved jon! and now jon can go warn the Wall! if anybody made it back, that is :(
CB Note: *Eyeroll* at your "nut"
RK Note: big LOL to the Ygritting his teeth pun. This was AMAZING and its so nice that through Summer Bran realized Jon was there and saw him!!! I was hoping for a reunion though, there was that brief moment when Jon was with Ygritte and told her about the causeway and they were contemplating going to the tower, and I was so hopeful for a Jon/Bran reunion! Alas...

Davos: He is called from the cell by one of the Queen's relatives (name?) He's freaked out 'cause he thinks that Melisandre has convinced Stannis to burn him. Turns out Stannis finally wants to see him. They talk about what to do with the former hand. Stannis says they must kill him b/c the punishment for treason is death. Davos makes a pointed (and rather reckless) remark about how Stannis betrayed Aerys, the former king. Stannis talks about how he had to choose between honor and family. He thinks Jaime should have been sent to the wall for killing Aerys as Ned had suggested. Queen's relative wants to be the King's hand and has an idea to go take this one island with this old dude who had fought for Stannis at King's Landing but knelt to Joffrey after they lost. Davos tells Stannis that he thinks this is a terrible idea and cowardly. *Audible gasp* Moment of tension. What is gonna happen!?! Turns out Stannis wants to name Davos his hand. Prolly the first good decision Stannis has made. Davos is not a yes man like the rest of them, willing to switch gods and everything just cause Stannis wants them to. Turns out, btw, that now Stannis is starting to see visions in the flames. Methinks that staring into the fire a little too long can make one delirious...
CB Note: Ser Axell is the one that comes for Davos and wants to be the hand. Yay for Hand Davos! Methinks that looking into the flames may be like looking at the clouds. Look hard enough and shapes begin to form! However, one can't doubt that Melisandra HAS seemed to seen things that have happened in her flames. So who knows!! In this very chapter, we learn that Melisandre showed Stannis the fight at the fist in the flames. So...shrug! Also at the end of this chapter, Melisandre gives Stannis a leech with all the other king's blood - Robb, Joff, and Balon Greyjoy. How the heck did she get those anyway?!?! He won't let her kill Edric to get the "blood of the king" so they're using the blood of the current kings instead. Wonder what will happen!
JN Note: it sure is the first good decision stannis has made. davos is no toady like mm. as for this leech talk, im pretty sure that it doesnt actually have those ppls blood. i think she was just cursing them, and wanting to use edric's blood to do it. good cloud comparison too.
CB Note: Ohhhh. So it was Edric's leeched blood, but he just said each of the kings names while throwing them into the fire. I remember now.

Tyrion: Was not a fan of this chapter to be honest. It was a bit slow. Tyrion rides out to meet the representatives from Dorne who have come for Joffrey's wedding. Something is immediately wrong because the lord of Dorne has sent his son who is a jackassssss (Oberyn or whatever.) Oberyn is likely to cause problems and Tyrion wonders if he was meant to cause such conflict. Plus the Tyrells hateee the Martells so this is gonna be a problem. They get into this verbal sparring thing and Oberyn tells about how he visited Castlerly Rock after Tyrion was born. He had expected to see this huge monster with a tail and deformities but it wasn't all that bad. Cersei was horrible even back then and horrible image where she takes baby Tyrion's penis and twists it around until he cries. (Um, omg, what?!) Oberyn talks about how he wants to kill the mountain. Tyrion essentially tells him to fuck off and then rides away. Oh also we learn that there is now a tax on whoring. Tyrion is reallllly doing everything to make himself unpopular...
CB Notes: True, this isn't a very exciting chapter. But I thought Oberyn was a fun guy to read. Also, he is Prince Doran's brother, not son. Their sister Elia was married to Prince Rhaegar and was murdered along with her children during the whole throne takeover.
JN Note: and, as we all know, the one who did the murdering was Ser Gregor the Mountain. But who ordered the code red??? anyway, i enjoyed this chapter, as Oberyn is quite the character, plus that old story about the visit to casterly rock was good. in the old war, the Martells and Dorne fought with the Targaryens bc Elia was married to Rhaegar. and that tax on whoring wasnt tyrions idea i believe, but he just gets blamed again. whats it called again? oh yea, the dwarf's penny. reread my notes to a blog or 2 ago fora chuckle. :)
RK Note: Tywin obviously ordered the Code Red, but maybe Tyrion thinks Oberyn just can't handle the truth! Maybe he was an early riser and liked to pack in the morning. Maybe he didn't have any friends. I'm an educated man, but I'm afraid I can't speak intelligently about the travel habits of one Private Santiago. Are these really the questions I was called here to answer? Phone calls and foot lockers? Please tell me that you have something more! Anyway, I digress... I think this Oberyn might not be so bad... I am aligned with his desire to kill Ser Gregor, that is for SURE!!! And I'm still pretty pissed about the killing of Princess Elia and Rhaenarys and the little infant babe, myself!

Jaime: Goes to the bathhouse to clean up in preparation for his meeting with Roose. Awkwardness ensues when he notices Brienne and goes to sit with her and she's all bashful and covers up. We learn huge news here. Turns out that Aerys was going to burn King's Landing before Robert got there and this is why Jaime killed him! He never told anyone 'cause the Kingsgaurd are sworn to keep the King's secrets. (Umm, really Jaime, at that point you've killed the King you were sworn to protect and you care about keeping his stupid secret.) They go to see Roose. Roose doesn't want to be implicated in Vargo's folly of cutting off his hand so he is going to send Jaime back to King's Landing. Brienne he is giving to Vargo. Eek.
CB Note: Another great chapter!! Some more weird sexual tension between Brienne and Jaime right?? Taking a bath together all naked lol. Anyway, I liked that Jaime told Brienne the whole story. And obviously, awesome stuff to learn. I also believe in this chapter Roose mentions something about Arya...do you recall? And damn that Roose, not wanting to "deprive Vargo of both his prizes." Oh noes!!!
JN Note: interesting stuff! that mad king aerys deserved to be Kingslayed! we knew he was nutso from earlier stories as well, including Jaime's to Catelyn of how he killed Neds brother and dad. brienne is in trouble if she doesnt get some sapphireth athap!
RK Note: Aw the bathhouse scene! Roose is so complicated, sometimes he does good things but he is also a cold DOUCHE bastard, and he shows it at times like when he gives Brienne back to Vargo. He is cold and has no honor. Much like his bastard son, who he's not even very attached to. I kind of wanted Jaime and Brienne to hook up in the bath btw.

Jaime is traveling down to King's landing with the ex-Maester dude who is hoping that by helping Jaime, Tywin will get him his chain back. (Never hope for help from a Lannister!) Jaime has a dream where he is in this cave where he faces the ghosts of people he killed. Brienne is there and helps him. Jaime wakes up and insists on going back for Brienne. When they get back to Harrenhaal she is in a bear pit unarmored (b/c she had bit off Vargo's ear lol). Jaime offers to pay her ransom her but Vargo says no. Then he jumps into the pit to help her. Fat load of good this does with one hand. Finally one of Roose's men shoots down the bear with an arrow and they take Brienne with. Jaime comes off in this two chapters seeming almost...I dunno...noble! Odd.
CB Note: Yay! I get to beat J at what he so desperately wants to write...A Bear! A Bear! All black and brown and covered with hair! The bear, the bear, and the maiden fair. Moving right along. Great dream right??? So crazy!! And then Jaime goes back to save Brienne from the Big Bad Bear! That Jaime is full of surprises...
JN Note: as i noted earlier, i believe that these were the chapters when cb finally stopped hating jaime. remember tho, he did throw bran off that ledge. altho he did it for love. of his sister. what morally difficult questions! as for cb stealing my thunder, i always knew brienne was A MAIDEN FAIR! as for jaime's plan to save her, he knew roose's men would have to kill the bear so he didnt get killed, bc tywin would NOT have liked that.
RK Note: Brienne is the Maiden Fair in the song with the bear?! Really? All this was foreshadowing to the bear pit? But who was the song written ABOUT? I was horrified by poor Brienne in the bear pit with only a tourney sword, and Jaime was SO noble and chivalrous to go back for her and save her!! So GALLANT!

Dany: She is with her unsullied at this other slavers city. She has lifted the whole can't have names for more than a day thing and has named one of the Unsullied as captain and he is pretty good apparently. The people from the other city (name?) are lining up for battle. They consist of various groups including this one group of Sellswords (The Second Brothers) and the Stormcrows. Dany talks with the different groups proposing to come to her side. The Stormcrows have three leaders who refuse. The Second Brothers dude just wants to do her and she gives him a lot of wine. Then one other dude comes and tries to give her a bribe to not attack; she offers that if he releases all of the slaves of the city and let her in the gate she will not attack. She gives him until the next morning to decide. Trixxxxy Dany decides that she is going to attack that night while the one dude is deciding and the other dude is too drunk to fight. While they are getting ready one of the Stormcrow dudes who has like blue hair and stuff comes and says he killed the other leaders and wants to be on her side. She takes his oath and he agrees to lead his men on her side. Jorah is not happy with this and Dany yells at him about how he can't be the only one she trusts. Awwkwardddddddd.. While waiting for the battle to end she sits with that old squire who tells her of her brother and how he was born depressed and always super sad. Jorah comes back announcing victory. Dany goes to the city and all the freed slaves are running around calling her Mother. Apparently this was one of the visions in the Undying place. (Sorry, I don't remember... LOL).
CB Note: The city Dany is at is Yunkai. I love these chapters with Dany. She's so kickass. Total OUCH for Jorah when she tells him that she doesnt love him and he's not going to be the only man in her life. The old squire who talks to Dany about her bro is Arstan. And yup, the vision from the House of the Undying was of "ten thousand slaves reaching out to touch her and crying "mother" as she rides past."
JN Note: this was a pretty innocuous vision coming true, young squirrel. make some effort for getting the big ones! as for this Arstan, i believe this isnt the first time hes told dany about her fam. which is nice, bc she only ever knew that tool viserys.
RK Note: I love the Dany chapter, she is SO badass, and its so noble how she wants to free all the slaves! She is so CLEVER, this one is trixxier than Tyrion lately!!!!

Catelyn: Sad funeral of her father. Edmure misses the raft with the flaming arrows three times before Brynden doe sit for him (Edmure is kinda loser...) Attends an audience b/w Robb and some of the Freys. They are mighty pissed about Robb marrying someone else but have agreed that Edmure will marry his granddaughter (name?). Edmure is not happy b/c he doesn't know her but they convince him to accept to make up for his folly on Trident.
CB Note: Who felt totes awkward as Edmure kept missing the boat. Ouch. The deal is that Edmure is betrothed to Roslin Frey, Walder Frey's youngest daughter (from his 6th wife, natch). You also failed to mention that Robb and Catelyn get news about Winterfell in this chapter!
JN Note: edmure should suck it up and do as hes told. im pretty sure he Fed up earlier and its his fault tywin was able to save kings landing and beat stannis in the first place. as for the marriage stuff, id be mad to if i was gonna get to marry a Queen but instead i had to marry her loser aunt edmure.

They march to the wedding and it's raining. Catelyn pisses off her brother by saying that he should be hoping that his new wife is loyal not pretty. Then she pisses off Robb who wants to name Jon Snow his heir in case he has no son. Catelyn, who hates Jon Snow, thinks this is a terrible idea. (Whereas I was like yayyy King Jon Snow!) They cannot cross the river b/c of the rains and have to go around it. They meet up with a traveler who has escaped from Dragonstone. Balon Greyjoy is dead. Robb forms this plan to split his forces into three and march up the neck to retake Moat Cailin. Catelyn isn't so sure. Turns out he is sending Catelyn to Seagard to wait out the war. Catelyn has been trixxxxxxxxxed!!!! (Where is Seagard again?)
CB Note: I also was like YAY KING JON SNOW! I heart Jon. Looking at the map, Seagard is just a bit West of the Twins, much farther North than Riverrun.
JN Note: Balon Greyjoy is dead? ohnoes, was it melisandre? he totes deserved it tho, fyi. Seagard is on the map, its just a town on the west coast far away from stuff. as for this King Jon Snow business - great idea robb! cant have sansa being your heir and letting tyrion be king!!!
RK Note: I also was all YAY JON SNOW, I wish Catelyn were kinder to him!

Arya: So much awesome Arya stuff. They go to this secret cave where Thoros is there. He looks nothing like he used to, all gaunt and skinny. Turns out he has refound the whole Lord of Light thing. (Bit of a reborn nutso if you ask me.) Hound is there and they are sitting in judgment of him. Turns out there is going to be combat b/w him and Beric to judge him. Trial by combat, btw, is the dumbest thing ever!!! I already "blogged" this by im so I won't go into too much detail. Beric has flaming sword which Hound is scared of but some how Hound wins :(. They send him off.
JN Note: note, as far as judging is concerned, it seemed that beric was gonna win ez, but all of a sudden hound just broke his sword! was it Rhllor intervening?!?!
CB Note: OMG @ you and Rhllor.
RK Note: R'hllor sure has some powers to bring Beric back to life SIX TIMES. I mean omg that is some crazy power....

Next they ambush this group of Bloody Mummers and and end up hanging them all. Arya talks to Beric and he tells her about the many times he almost died, twice by the hand of the stupid Cleganes. Not much happens.
JN Note: ummm.. Thoros has been bringing beric back from the dead multiple times, and thats "not much happened?" as john mcenroe (and ed zalinsky) woudl say, "you cant be serious!!!" also, you may recall that throughout books 2 and 3 we hear people talk about all the different ways berics been killed and how hes totes dead but nobody knows for sure. cool, in hindsight.
RK Note: SO AWESOME that we've been hearing all along all the different ways Beric is said to have died, and its all TRUE, but he's still alive! SO COOL!!!!

Next, Thoros leads them back to that high hill place where they again see the old woman. She is telling her dreams but this time notices Arya and make some comment about how she smells of death. She predicts a number of things. Something about a goat and then a feast with a woman with vipers in her hair (hmm...?? I can only think of Cersei cause she is such a biotch...) They learn that Catelyn has gone to the Twins to see her brother married. We learn possibly who Jon's mother is! She talks to beric's squire who says he was milk brothers b/c his wet-nurse was Jon's mother. Hmm....doesn't sound right. Then we learn that before he married Catelyn, Ned had fallen in love with Ashara but who committed suicide from a broken heart. If Ashara is Jon's mother then he is highborn yeah? They get to an inn and Arya stupidly storms off and gets caught by the Hound! NOoooo....
CB Note: High Heart is the place with the old woman. Ok, so I've spent so much time reading this blog and noting that I think my brain is fried cause I'm so confused. haha. So I'm going to refer to our helper site to get my thoughts straight. First off, I'll help out by pasting the old woman's dreams: "She dreamed of the goat sitting alone and fevered in the hall of kings as the great dog descends on him, a wolf howling in grief in the rain, a clangor of horns and drums and the sad sound of a little bell, a maid at a feast with purple serpents in her hair, and the same maid slaying a giant in a castle built of snow. She senses Arya and tells her to come closer. She says Arya is a blood child and smells of death." Arya smells of death?! Whatchu talkin bout old lady!? Then we get to Arya finding out about Jon's mom!!! Even if his mom is high-born, he's still a Bastard, so it doesn't really change anything, since he's a Stark child already anyway. Anyway, I was also upset with Arya for running away again!
JN Note: since im in a helping spirit, i will note that when dreams are separated by punctuation marks called commas, which look like this: >>>> , <<<<>

Now here is where there is a huge NUT. NUTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT!!!! I will paste my gchat conversation as proof:

Caryn: why am i sooooooooooooo tired
me: i'm sooo sleepy too and pissed b/c apparently the hound got away again tell J my nut is that he joins the outlaws cause he has no where else to go and despite being a jackass he saved sansa so deep down he could be good
Caryn: how much did you read last night?
me: none. i just read one more chapter now
Caryn: ah well keep reading :)

Now the Hound doesn't join the outlaws. That's true but they cross this river and we learn he is riding to take Arya back to Catelyn so he can ransom her but also so that maybe Robb will reward him by taking him into his service. I think he is good deep down! Ha! Maybe Arya will finally get back to her family!!!!! I hope so!!!!!!!!!!!!! That deserve at least 60% nut credit!
CB Note: I'm confused again, due to fried brain from this neverending blog lol. I just don't see the NUT in there! The "deep down he could be good" part? Cause if that's it, that's way less than 60%! The "NUT" attempt was that he'd join the outlaws!
JN Note: im feeling bad for lb, since he gets so few nuts. and the hound did save sansa. so he nutted that the hound saved sansa. that deserves credit, right? maybe the nut attempt is "maybe arya will get back to her family" - that sounds like its gotta be true, right? i dont see how it could be wrong...
RK Note: Having trouble following the JN notes here. Anyway I am very curious about Jon's mother!!!! Dreams:
Goat sitting alone and fevered in the hall of kings as the great dog descends on him = Vargo Hoat at Harrenhal with his fever from the festering wound from Brienne biting his eat as Gregor Clegane comes to murder him (or just chop off his hands and feet and watch him slobber)
Wolf Howling in Grief in the Rain: Arya crying with grief for her lost family members in those bad rainstorms?
Clangor of horns and drums and the sad sound of a little bell: The wildlings advancing on the wall? Dany in the slave city with a little bell in her hair?
Maid at a feast with purple serpents in her hair: Serpents? Sansa with the amethysts in her hairnet at Joffrey's wedding?
Maid slaying a giant in a castle built of snow: A girl slaying a giant at the Wall? Gilly? But it's the same made as the one at a feast with purple serpents in her hair... Hmmmmmmmm...